Comments on: Pitchers Wins http://skyking162.com/2007/08/pitchers-wins/ baseball with a hint of lime Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:00:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: Frank http://skyking162.com/2007/08/pitchers-wins/#comment-581 Frank Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:08:39 +0000 http://skyking162.com/2007/08/pitchers-wins/#comment-581 <i>What is the real world meaning of a Win? (the stat a pitcher gets, not a team win) Is a pitcher Win really that intuitive? I think people assume pitcher Win = team win, when that?s totally not true.</i> You mean a pitcher QS (maybe in your mind a lower case "win", like "winning the game of life") is not a team win, right? Because a Pitcher (upper case, statistical) "Win" is always a Team Win. That's why I'm saying it's an intuitive real world stat... The team won, and he didn't give up so many runs that his team couldn't keep up. Some days the offense will carry him, some days he will carry the offense. Some days he lose inspite of a stellar offense output by his team, and some times he will win despite giving up a half dozen runs. But when a pitcher gets a win (however it happens), the team gets a win. The sum total of the team's pitchers's wins is the teams total of wins. Like I said, I agree that it's not nearly a perfect stat that will have exceptions in the short term (Glavine's game that started this thread, Clemens's 2005 season), but it's clearly intuitive and as "real world" of a stat as you can get. I'll concede that Ws for relievers are meaningless and more the result of luck and being in the right place at the right time. What is the real world meaning of a Win? (the stat a pitcher gets, not a team win) Is a pitcher Win really that intuitive? I think people assume pitcher Win = team win, when that?s totally not true.

You mean a pitcher QS (maybe in your mind a lower case “win”, like “winning the game of life”) is not a team win, right?

Because a Pitcher (upper case, statistical) “Win” is always a Team Win. That’s why I’m saying it’s an intuitive real world stat…

The team won, and he didn’t give up so many runs that his team couldn’t keep up. Some days the offense will carry him, some days he will carry the offense. Some days he lose inspite of a stellar offense output by his team, and some times he will win despite giving up a half dozen runs.

But when a pitcher gets a win (however it happens), the team gets a win. The sum total of the team’s pitchers’s wins is the teams total of wins.

Like I said, I agree that it’s not nearly a perfect stat that will have exceptions in the short term (Glavine’s game that started this thread, Clemens’s 2005 season), but it’s clearly intuitive and as “real world” of a stat as you can get.

I’ll concede that Ws for relievers are meaningless and more the result of luck and being in the right place at the right time.

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