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	<title>Comments on: 2007 Gold Glove Winners</title>
	<link>http://skyking162.com/2007/11/2007-gold-glove-winners/</link>
	<description>baseball with a hint of lime</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sky</title>
		<link>http://skyking162.com/2007/11/2007-gold-glove-winners/#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://skyking162.com/2007/11/2007-gold-glove-winners/#comment-788</guid>
		<description>Sorry for the delayed response -- I was in Kentucky for a wedding and couldn't get myself to spend the $13 a day for internet access that the Marriot was demanding.

Dan, sounds like your dad just isn't interested in the truth and is hung up on protecting Jeter's status as a Yankee legend, no matter the cost.  If you really care about getting through eventually, I'd start with discussing non-traditional concepts that would affirm your dad's views of certain players (Jeter's good because of OBP or Melky's not just an overblown Yankee prospect because there's real value in playing center field and throwing out 14 baserunners).  If he starts buying into your line of thinking, you can start working your way down a long chain of ideas towards Jeter's fielding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the delayed response &#8212; I was in Kentucky for a wedding and couldn&#8217;t get myself to spend the $13 a day for internet access that the Marriot was demanding.</p>
<p>Dan, sounds like your dad just isn&#8217;t interested in the truth and is hung up on protecting Jeter&#8217;s status as a Yankee legend, no matter the cost.  If you really care about getting through eventually, I&#8217;d start with discussing non-traditional concepts that would affirm your dad&#8217;s views of certain players (Jeter&#8217;s good because of OBP or Melky&#8217;s not just an overblown Yankee prospect because there&#8217;s real value in playing center field and throwing out 14 baserunners).  If he starts buying into your line of thinking, you can start working your way down a long chain of ideas towards Jeter&#8217;s fielding.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://skyking162.com/2007/11/2007-gold-glove-winners/#comment-778</link>
		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://skyking162.com/2007/11/2007-gold-glove-winners/#comment-778</guid>
		<description>I've always thought this article was a pretty good primer on the zone based systems (albeit maybe a little technical for someone who has never thought about them):

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/dialed_in/discussion/what_is_zone_rating/

I'd say something about the goal being estimating opportunities since that's the one problem with regular fielding stats. Assists is kind of like hits for batters without having at bats -- what the heck are you going to do with that?

Maybe tell him something about Tango's fans scouting report and that stat heads don't necessarily think the numbers are everything (especially in small samples). 

I don't know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always thought this article was a pretty good primer on the zone based systems (albeit maybe a little technical for someone who has never thought about them):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/dialed_in/discussion/what_is_zone_rating/" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/dialed_in/discussion/what_is_zone_rating/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d say something about the goal being estimating opportunities since that&#8217;s the one problem with regular fielding stats. Assists is kind of like hits for batters without having at bats &#8212; what the heck are you going to do with that?</p>
<p>Maybe tell him something about Tango&#8217;s fans scouting report and that stat heads don&#8217;t necessarily think the numbers are everything (especially in small samples). </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: JinAZ</title>
		<link>http://skyking162.com/2007/11/2007-gold-glove-winners/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>JinAZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://skyking162.com/2007/11/2007-gold-glove-winners/#comment-777</guid>
		<description>I remember that article being the most level-headed take on Jeter vs. Everett that I'd seen.  ...  If a guy won't read it and won't listen to reasoned arguments, there's not much you can do to convince him.  At that point, it's essentially the same as arguing about someone's faith.
-j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember that article being the most level-headed take on Jeter vs. Everett that I&#8217;d seen.  &#8230;  If a guy won&#8217;t read it and won&#8217;t listen to reasoned arguments, there&#8217;s not much you can do to convince him.  At that point, it&#8217;s essentially the same as arguing about someone&#8217;s faith.<br />
-j</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://skyking162.com/2007/11/2007-gold-glove-winners/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://skyking162.com/2007/11/2007-gold-glove-winners/#comment-774</guid>
		<description>I have a proposition/question for you (and Justin, if he sees this)...

My dad is extremely anti-statistics in every way except when it involves batting average (he's 53, give him a break). So when I try to tell him that David Wright is deserving of being at least in the discussion for NL gold glove, he says the numbers are meaningless (we're both yankee fans, but I'm still gonna argue for wright in this case). He then completely dismisses the assertion that Derek Jeter is arguably the worst short stop in MLB today (by BIS +/- rating and zone rating), and one of the worst of all time (by relative range factors). 

Considering that, he won't read the article posted below, explaining some of these things. Any suggestions on how to get through to him on the topic of fielding statistics?

http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/jeter.asp

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a proposition/question for you (and Justin, if he sees this)&#8230;</p>
<p>My dad is extremely anti-statistics in every way except when it involves batting average (he&#8217;s 53, give him a break). So when I try to tell him that David Wright is deserving of being at least in the discussion for NL gold glove, he says the numbers are meaningless (we&#8217;re both yankee fans, but I&#8217;m still gonna argue for wright in this case). He then completely dismisses the assertion that Derek Jeter is arguably the worst short stop in MLB today (by BIS +/- rating and zone rating), and one of the worst of all time (by relative range factors). </p>
<p>Considering that, he won&#8217;t read the article posted below, explaining some of these things. Any suggestions on how to get through to him on the topic of fielding statistics?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/jeter.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/jeter.asp</a></p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://skyking162.com/2007/11/2007-gold-glove-winners/#comment-773</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://skyking162.com/2007/11/2007-gold-glove-winners/#comment-773</guid>
		<description>Check the spelling on the Orlando's</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check the spelling on the Orlando&#8217;s</p>
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